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Interesting Conversation on Religion

So this is a convo i had on religion with a friend earlier, the beginning of the chat was cut off by facebook chat but some of the stuff here seemed relevant.

12:00am Alex
so if you don't believe, you perish, your mortal soul destroyed forever and ceased to exist
and if you do then you get to live eternally free from strife.
but it's a lot easier to scare people into believing by threatening them with eternal punishment and damnation
and those people that say they believe because they are scared of hell, have false motives and this cynical god would rather have people that believed because of the awesome complexity of the genius universe that i created

12:03am Friend
ok, if you were this cynical god, what would happen to people that didnt ever believe... and the new testament god never tries the scare tactics, he always talks about heaven, its not his fault Satan left his side as an angel and forces people to hell
wow, talking about religion sometimes makes me sould like a total nut, i know

12:04am Alex
noooo no it doesn't
i believe that you have it right with the last statement
satan fell as an angel and was forced on earth with men

12:05am Friend
god gave up having everyone go to heaven because he though free will was more important
thought*
and i agree with him

12:05am Alex
he tempts them and teaches them not to believe.. so that they may share his fate, and if revelation is right, they will be erased from existence while those that believe get to live forever happily

12:06am Friend
Satan doesnt want to be alone down there
see, you have more of an understanding than i do
but i think you just arent sure if all this mumbo jumbo is true
which is where faith comes in

12:09am Alex
i agree.. and faith is the hardest part. but i believe that i do have faith. i just don't have a whole lot of faith in mankind as a whole. i also have trouble with the age of innocence and similar issues

12:09am Friend
you mean if a child should go to heaven?

12:10am Friend
there are so many unknowns....
but if we knew everything that would just lesson Gods power
Im sure everything will make perfect sence in the end
Ive struggled alot with faith
at one point i really did consider myself atheist

12:12am Alex
wow.. well i just have never really been able to think of it in that way

12:12am Friend
and that was hard for me to admit( being raised in a christian home)

12:12am Alex
i have however considered it in a forever expanding universe manner
like we have a god and he created us and our universe and everything
and he exists in a universe that was created by a god and etc etc into infinity

12:13am Friend
so you mean, there aremany gods?

12:14am Alex
not quite

12:15am Friend
well, WE have one God, who had one God, who has one God...

12:15am Alex
well not at least in our universe

12:20am Alex
we have only one and all the knowledge that we have and everything around us was created by him and we are not even capable of imagining anything beyound him...

12:16am Alex
but he.... in his universe that is so much greater than ours is struggling to figure out what created him
and he has his own thoughts and concerns about it but no way of knowing for sure but through faith

12:22am Friend
hmmmm... thats an interesting idea...I dont think that is outside of christina thought either...
christian*

12:22am Alex
yeah nor do i
if you think about it

12:22am Friend
b/c the bible is to show us what we need to know

12:22am Alex
and this comes across as sounding ultra-dumb
i mean possibly sounding ultra-dumb

12:22am Friend
but if god doesnt know something about his creation, why would he put it in the bible

12:23am Alex
why would or why wouldnt?

12:23am Friend
no, why would he put it in the bible... he wouldnt, and that is why we just assume that he just existed forever

12:24am Alex
oooh yeah totally

12:24am Friend
when, your theory could be true

12:24am Alex
but also i think that if you look at pc games such as the sims
we create their worlds
and we are their one and only creator

12:24am Friend
I LOVE SIMS

12:25am Alex
we shape what they do and they respond to stimuli that we create
i think that's why i like the movie tron so much

12:25am Friend
so where does it end Alex? and Tron? never heard of it
youll have to bring it when you visit

12:26am Alex
its a disney movie that has a lot of allusion to religion
i dont think it ever has to end
i can't comprehend infinity fully but it exists

12:26am Friend
how do you know it exists

12:27am Alex
oh i don't.. but i have faith that it does

12:27am Friend
i think somewhere something happened to make humanity
lol

12:28am Alex
:D

12:29am Friend
Sometimes my atheist beliefs intertwine with my Christian beliefs... which can get me confused.. but hey, im human

12:29am Alex
true true!

12:29am Friend
like i totally believe in evolution.... which screws the whole creation thing

12:30am Alex
i think the most important aspect of religion is often the part that is avoided

12:30am Friend
what part is avoided... like who created God?

12:30am Alex
noooo
the fact that it has some pretty darn good ideas about how to live life in a manner that benefits all of mankind and not just one's self
and a lot of church-goers that i've seen do not live by the very code that they believe will give them eternal salvation
and is the ultimate truth
they use it when necessary and sometimes even use it to cast judgment on others, when it clearly says not to

12:34am Alex
and im not speaking of everyone
but a good number of people

12:34am Friend
Yeah, Its hard to evangelize because so many of the people i go to church with are the biggest hypocrites Ive seen, but then again, so am I
most people are so turned off my religion for the very reason you talk about
when the bible is all about forgiveness and non judgment and helping the poor

12:35am Alex
oh i know.. it's like if i told someone that i had this great method of cooking stew and they watch me make it after i tell them all about it and its nothing at all what i described
and then i tell them to go do it

12:36am Friend
lol, the funny thing is, I tell people to follow the bible, yet i go out and do some pretty anti-biblical things.. Im on e of them

12:37am Alex
its cool though! i mean.. life's strange and who can explain why we do what we do




Soo anway, that was the conversation, I'd like to hear anyone's thoughts because I have a lot of friends who are Christian, some Hindu, Mormon, Atheist, Deist, Agnostic... etc

I'd like to hear your views, too if you'd care to share.

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